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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:05 pm 
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ok, you sparked my curiosity you guys in the other thread so i figured i'd start this one. oscar, you mentioned that there are few differences between mormon and christianity. i'm just curious as to what they are-the differences between mormon and christianity. be specific please because i have a professor that converted to mormon about eight years ago. he doesn’t believe in birth control. he now has nine kids. is that one difference? tell me more.


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Kewl - - will get back to you soon.

Just remember there are thousands of Christian sects (variations) - - - and Koresh was Christian - - - as was Jim Jones.

Base of what is Christian is: belief in the Atonement - - Christ is your only savior.

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I don't really consider Jim Jones a Christian. I think he pretended to be one to gain power over people, but I think he really wanted people to worship him, not Jesus. He isn't the only one there are plenty still at that game.

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Oh - - - but he was Christian.

As much as every Polygamist in the media is Mormon.

Jim Jones - labeled himself Christian - - he was an ordained minister. I have researched Jim Jones.

He gained respectability when he became an ordained minister in 1964 in the mainstream Christian Denomination Disciples of Christ. The church was exceptional for its equal treatment of African Americans and many of them became members of the church. He started a struggle for racial equality and social justice, which he dubbed apostolic socialism.

How can you pick and choose?

Who do you believe? Who do you follow?

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Oh - - - but he was Christian.

As much as every Polygamist in the media is Mormon


I suppose if you consider anyone who claims to be a Christian to be one, then he was. I would consider a Christian to be someone who follows the bible, which he did not. Polygamy was part of the early Mormon teachings, so I can see how that would confuse our not too bright media just like Pat Robertson confuses them into thinking he is a Christian.

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Ah yes - Polygamy was a revelation from God - - in times of extreme stress.

When many women were left without a husband and many children left without a father - - - due to extreme hardships and persecution.

Kind of your practical solution to welfare.

In a time when women were not "head of household" - - and employment of women was not customary.

Per Revelations to Mormon leaders - - ALL women and children were to be cared for. Thus every woman would be secured in marriage with a man as a provider and every child would have a father.

It is interesting that SEX - - is first to come to mind of anyone from the outside. However - "welfare" is first to come to mind of anyone from the inside. The women were the Rule. Men actually had no say. The church assigned men to women and women to men - - - but only the woman had the say so - if she accepted. And first wives had rule over that.

Forced marriage was illegal - - as was underage marriage.

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Oscar wrote:
Oh - - - but he was Christian.

As much as every Polygamist in the media is Mormon.

Jim Jones - labeled himself Christian - - he was an ordained minister. I have researched Jim Jones.

He gained respectability when he became an ordained minister in 1964 in the mainstream Christian Denomination Disciples of Christ. The church was exceptional for its equal treatment of African Americans and many of them became members of the church. He started a struggle for racial equality and social justice, which he dubbed apostolic socialism.

How can you pick and choose?

Who do you believe? Who do you follow?

http://www.swordandspirit.com/LIBRARY/t ... rofile.php

Oh cool. Do you think Jim Jones had a connection to a CIA mind control project?


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Have no idea.

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ok, you sparked my curiosity you guys in the other thread so i figured i'd start this one. oscar, you mentioned that there are few differences between mormon and christianity. i'm just curious as to what they are-the differences between mormon and christianity. be specific please because i have a professor that converted to mormon about eight years ago. he doesn’t believe in birth control. he now has nine kids. is that one difference? tell me more.



If you compare the teachings and beliefs of the Mormon church to a particular Christian sect, like Baptist or Lutheran, then you will be able to find a lot of differences. Of course, if you compare Baptists to Lutherans, you will also find a lot of differences. And all the religions can find scriptures in the Bible that show what they believe is right and what the others believe is wrong.

The basic tennents of Christianity, Jesus was born to a virgin mother, died on the cross and was resurected and assended to heaven are common to the Mormon Church (official name: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) and to many other Christian churches. Yet because of other beliefs, other Christian churches often claim that Mormon's aren't Christian ("They don't believe the same as me so they aren't Christian"), for some reason, these people feel they have the right to choose who is and who isn't a "Christian".

Many Mormon's don't believe in birth control. However, that is not the official position of the LDS church which has stated the use of birth control is between the couple and God.

Wait- Your professor converted 8 years ago and he now has 9 kids? Wow! That's one busy fellow!!

The biggest difference though between Mormonism and other religions is the use of the Book of Mormon. Mormon's do use the Bible, both old and New Testements, but they also have the Book of Mormon that they believe was written by people who left Jerusalem and settled in the American continent. The use of other scriptures, other than the Bible is considered sacrilige by other Christian sects.

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Thank you Baemark - - that was very good.

The Book of Mormon - - - "Fullness of the Gospel"

Like the Bible it is a History book - - - - like an extention of what is already known. Just more information.

But in Day to Day life - - - and Sunday worship - - it is bible scripture that is studied.

Fear and rejection of Mormons - - is due to ignorance and misunderstanding for the most part.

They are Christian - - - - your basic fundamental Christian.

With a little bit extra added twist.

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Wait- Your professor converted 8 years ago and he now has 9 kids? Wow! That's one busy fellow!!


yes, it was around 8 years ago. but he had a kid or two before he converted.

thanks mark for that post. i find that the key to religion is doing the right thing. it is the core. i mean we know what's right and what's wrong. personally, i try really hard to do the right things and i do treat others as i want to be treated.

but do we need to be born again to enter into heaven? and what exactly does that mean?

i come from a christian home. i've had this stuff forced down my throat all my life. perhaps that's the reason, in the back of my mind, i'm always thinking about right and wrong, but i'm not a born again christian. in fact, there was a time when i was far from it. in my younger days i was a hell raiser and that's no lie. i'm not even the same person.

i don't know what my point is here; i don't think i have one. but what's my chances of getting into heaven if i just do the right things and try to be good but i'm not a born again christian?


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Oscar wrote:
Ah yes - Polygamy was a revelation from God - - in times of extreme stress.

When many women were left without a husband and many children left without a father - - - due to extreme hardships and persecution.

Kind of your practical solution to welfare.

In a time when women were not "head of household" - - and employment of women was not customary.

Per Revelations to Mormon leaders - - ALL women and children were to be cared for. Thus every woman would be secured in marriage with a man as a provider and every child would have a father.

It is interesting that SEX - - is first to come to mind of anyone from the outside. However - "welfare" is first to come to mind of anyone from the inside. The women were the Rule. Men actually had no say. The church assigned men to women and women to men - - - but only the woman had the say so - if she accepted. And first wives had rule over that.

Forced marriage was illegal - - as was underage marriage.


I agree with you, Oscar. I think the written revelation about widows remarrying came through the Book of Ruth... 'Your people will be my people,' or something like that. Can't really fault the early LDS philosophy for the reasons you point out.

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The biggest difference though between Mormonism and other religions is the use of the Book of Mormon. Mormon's do use the Bible, both old and New Testements, but they also have the Book of Mormon that they believe was written by people who left Jerusalem and settled in the American continent. The use of other scriptures, other than the Bible is considered sacrilige by other Christian sects.

That hits the nail on the head. The history of the Book of Mormon is an interesting one, the book itself is pretty dry. Around 1815, Joseph Smith Jr. was lead by a spirit (Moroni) to some golden plates buried in an indian mound. The text on the plates were translated by Smith into the Book of Mormon. Mormon was the father of Moroni. They were the leaders of one of the lost tribes of Israel. They and another Israeli tribe fled Israel to the new world (as bae said). A war between two tribes led the the annilation of both. Their descendants are the indians - Native Americans. Smith was 14 when he began his translation - 20 or so when the book was published. This is one of the reasons LDS believes the Book to be authentic, because a teen-ager would not have the acumen to write such a book without divine intervention.


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Oscar wrote:
Ah yes - Polygamy was a revelation from God - - in times of extreme stress.

When many women were left without a husband and many children left without a father - - - due to extreme hardships and persecution.

Kind of your practical solution to welfare.

In a time when women were not "head of household" - - and employment of women was not customary.

Per Revelations to Mormon leaders - - ALL women and children were to be cared for. Thus every woman would be secured in marriage with a man as a provider and every child would have a father.

It is interesting that SEX - - is first to come to mind of anyone from the outside. However - "welfare" is first to come to mind of anyone from the inside. The women were the Rule. Men actually had no say. The church assigned men to women and women to men - - - but only the woman had the say so - if she accepted. And first wives had rule over that.

Forced marriage was illegal - - as was underage marriage.


I agree with you, Oscar. I think the written revelation about widows remarrying came through the Book of Ruth... 'Your people will be my people,' or something like that. Can't really fault the early LDS philosophy for the reasons you point out.

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The biggest difference though between Mormonism and other religions is the use of the Book of Mormon. Mormon's do use the Bible, both old and New Testements, but they also have the Book of Mormon that they believe was written by people who left Jerusalem and settled in the American continent. The use of other scriptures, other than the Bible is considered sacrilige by other Christian sects.

That hits the nail on the head. The history of the Book of Mormon is an interesting one, the book itself is pretty dry. Around 1815, Joseph Smith Jr. was lead by a spirit (Moroni) to some golden plates buried in an indian mound. The text on the plates were translated by Smith into the Book of Mormon. Mormon was the father of Moroni. They were the leaders of one of the lost tribes of Israel. They and another Israeli tribe fled Israel to the new world (as bae said). A war between two tribes led the the annilation of both. Their descendants are the indians - Native Americans. Smith was 14 when he began his translation - 20 or so when the book was published. This is one of the reasons LDS believes the Book to be authentic, because a teen-ager would not have the acumen to write such a book without divine intervention.


First of all, poligamy has been practiced by nearly every culture some point in time. It was practiced here in Korea, in China, Japan and a load of other places. It's still practiced in the Muslim world (Osama bin Laden has 5 wives).

Second, good short history of the origines of the Book of Mormon, Hank. However, and I might be wrong, I don't think the tribe that left Jerusalem and went to the new world was one of the 10 lost tribes of Isreal. But I could be wrong. Just for some reason, I never got that impression before.

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baemark wrote:
hank wrote:
Oscar wrote:
Ah yes - Polygamy was a revelation from God - - in times of extreme stress.

When many women were left without a husband and many children left without a father - - - due to extreme hardships and persecution.

Kind of your practical solution to welfare.

In a time when women were not "head of household" - - and employment of women was not customary.

Per Revelations to Mormon leaders - - ALL women and children were to be cared for. Thus every woman would be secured in marriage with a man as a provider and every child would have a father.

It is interesting that SEX - - is first to come to mind of anyone from the outside. However - "welfare" is first to come to mind of anyone from the inside. The women were the Rule. Men actually had no say. The church assigned men to women and women to men - - - but only the woman had the say so - if she accepted. And first wives had rule over that.

Forced marriage was illegal - - as was underage marriage.


I agree with you, Oscar. I think the written revelation about widows remarrying came through the Book of Ruth... 'Your people will be my people,' or something like that. Can't really fault the early LDS philosophy for the reasons you point out.

baemark wrote:
The biggest difference though between Mormonism and other religions is the use of the Book of Mormon. Mormon's do use the Bible, both old and New Testements, but they also have the Book of Mormon that they believe was written by people who left Jerusalem and settled in the American continent. The use of other scriptures, other than the Bible is considered sacrilige by other Christian sects.

That hits the nail on the head. The history of the Book of Mormon is an interesting one, the book itself is pretty dry. Around 1815, Joseph Smith Jr. was lead by a spirit (Moroni) to some golden plates buried in an indian mound. The text on the plates were translated by Smith into the Book of Mormon. Mormon was the father of Moroni. They were the leaders of one of the lost tribes of Israel. They and another Israeli tribe fled Israel to the new world (as bae said). A war between two tribes led the the annilation of both. Their descendants are the indians - Native Americans. Smith was 14 when he began his translation - 20 or so when the book was published. This is one of the reasons LDS believes the Book to be authentic, because a teen-ager would not have the acumen to write such a book without divine intervention.


First of all, poligamy has been practiced by nearly every culture some point in time. It was practiced here in Korea, in China, Japan and a load of other places. It's still practiced in the Muslim world (Osama bin Laden has 5 wives).

Second, good short history of the origines of the Book of Mormon, Hank. However, and I might be wrong, I don't think the tribe that left Jerusalem and went to the new world was one of the 10 lost tribes of Isreal. But I could be wrong. Just for some reason, I never got that impression before.


You guys are pretty "up" on the subject for not being members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"! You wouldn't believe what's thrown around on other boards.

Few know that the scribes of the Dead Sea Scrolls also considered themselves to be members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. "latter" being relative, of course.

Excellent point on the Book of Mormon people not being among the Lost Tribes. Wouldn't then be lost, would they?!?

Although banned at this time (in the physical world), the LDS believe that polygamy has been a part of the Kingdom of God from the beginning. A passage in the Old Testament (also shown in the movie Yentyl) requires the brother-in-law of a virgin widow to raise seed to the brother.

Other religions still practice polygamy, and even the LDS (preferred term to the Mormon's) believe in polygamy as part of Eternal Life. But only, as Oscar pointed out, at the consent of the first wife (and any later wives).

The LDS view of polygamy exists as a welfare program to provide for women and children. Far different than the Fundamentalist Mormons, who provide young girls for lecherous old men. :P

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... like Baptist or Lutheran,


xifer no think he want to go to a church that worship lex luthor, thank u. I stick wif baptist.

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