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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:09 am 
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Gore's Bad Science
By Tom Harris
Canada Free Press June 15, 2006


"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth." With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

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http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22945


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:19 am 
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hank wrote:
Gore's Bad Science
By Tom Harris
Canada Free Press June 15, 2006


"Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth." With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

The article continues here...
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22945


Thanks Hank! Great info there. But is it really a surprise to anyone? Sadly the environmental movement has lost most of its credibility a long time ago.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:49 pm 
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But for all those who oppose - - there are those who agree.

Even in the Scientific community.

In any controversial matter - - - you will have both sides - - - both adamant that they are correct.

Which is why I rarely use "found" documentation to prove - - my side.


If you're Anti-Gore - - - and Anti-Global warming (environment) - - - then this one works for you.

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They reportedly found Gore's economic lockbox and opened it - it was empty, save for a scrap of paper that read - I O U U U.

(evidently the keyboard had no W key)

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To understand the arguments you must be able to handle the appropriate math. Mathematics is the language of science, the only language precise enough to handle the problems.

The math of atmospheric physics is fairly sophisticated as these things go.

Al Gore has no record of ever studying such sophisticated math, indeed his published record show he was a very poor student, so it is almost certain he does not understand the topics he claims to know.

Yes, the Earth is warming. That much is fairly well agreed on. But why? NO ONE has that answer. The Earth was warmer 1500 years ago. Why? No one knows. It was colder 250 years ago. Why? No one knows. In the 1970s there were people who had good qualifications in the field claiming that an Ice Age was just around the corner. Now people just as qualified claim the earth is heating up and that humans are responsible.

I seriously doubt that someone who is as ignorant of science and the language of science as Gore has any answer. He is simply cherry picking what he wants to report and then reporting it as fact.

In short, Al Gore is an idiot and a liar.

When someone tells you they know what the Earth is doing and why ask to see their math. If they don't have it odds are you are dealing with a liar.

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Well, whaddaya know? War WAS the answer, after all. Go figure.


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We don't have enough observational data (nor computing power) to accurately model the earth's climate for today - let alone make any accurate predictions! Especially true for long-range predictions.

Truly accurate reporting would require computers "orders of magnitude" more powerful that what is currently available (to anybody). Along with accurate obversational data. (probably impossible to accumulate in real-time, anyhow)

Since we can't accurately model today, tomorrow is just a guess. (As is evident to anybody watching the local weather guy on the evening news)

Lest anybody get the wrong idea - I do not think that dumping incredible amounts of crap into our environment is a good idea.

But maybe I'm wrong on this too. Maybe man-made global warming is saving us from another (mini) ice-age.

oh, it's a fine edge we tread!

So, can we agree that we don't know "fer sure"?

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Indeed, right you are, Austin.

Gore does not understand the math, the computer power is not up to the task, as you point out, and we do not even know what all the feedback loops are, yet we are supposed to believe Gore.

Hell, Gore was unsuccessful in stealing the 2000 election, a far easier task, yet we are supposed to believe he is smart enough to answer the unanswered questions that baffle the best scientific minds of the age.

To anyone who believes that, I have a sale on a bridge.

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WTL wrote:
...the computer power is not up to the task...


Maybe Gore "invented" the internet to serve as a distributed computing system to handle the computations. Whatever his intention (or possibly exaggerated role) was, porn-monkeys everywhere are extremely grateful for the "privatization" of the former darpanet. :wink:

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To anyone who believes that, I have a sale on a bridge.


btw, where is that bridge? - I have a lovely collection that I'd like to expand. :)

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Last time i looked it was in Brooklyn, but it may have moved since i last looked, lots of folks seem to want it... :lol:

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I really hate it when people, like Gore and whoever else, make things up or use "facts" that are not proven. Burning fuel may not be the cause of global warming, but you will have a hard time convincing me that the LA or Houston air is safe or good for people. I don't care if it causes global warming or not, it causes plenty of bad without that. I don't understand why people think that global warming has to be linked to oil in order to make it bad. Look at the countries that are supported by oil profits, terrorism is also supported by oil profits. Oil is bad and we need to find alternatives whether or not it causes global warming.

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