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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:39 pm 
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After a short hiatus Richard’s Room 101 returns to Binnall of America. During my summer break I finally got round to buying Blade Runner: The Final Cut on Blu Ray DVD and was blown away not only by the HD picture and sound but by the ceaseless Illuminati symbolism and esoteric overtones throughout the film. In particular: the Pyramid of Compartmentalisation, the All Seeing Eye of the Illuminati and, strangest of all, the Great Owl of Bohemia. Not forgetting the obvious Orwellian and strong Transhumanist concerns.

In my return piece, Blade Runner: Electronic Owls and Illuminati Symbolism, we take a look at all this and try and work out what it might mean. One of the things I briefly touched on at the very end, which we could have gone more into, was the speculation that Philip K. Dick’s might have used psycic viewing to get his ideas for his novels and short stories. Interestingly some people have said the same thing about Alex Jones. So maybe we’ll take a look at that in a future RR.

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Great article. Anything Ridley Scott, Phil Dick, and scifi is right up my alley.

I've seen and discussed Blade Runner more than a few times, but I never made the connection with Illuminati symbolism. I want to watch it again and try to pick out all of the eye and pyramid stuff.

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Khyron wrote:
Great article. Anything Ridley Scott, Phil Dick, and scifi is right up my alley.


Thanks Khyron. You should enjoy my latest You Tube vid then.

Alex Jones' Endgame Trailer - The Dalek Cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0IfoigskW8

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Is the Pyramid an Illuminati symbol?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:18 pm 
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Monnowman wrote:
Is the Pyramid an Illuminati symbol?


It's just about as Illuminati as a symbol can get.

Your from my side of the pond so maybe you've never seen the back of a US dollar bill. It's got the pyramid and the eye with the words "New World Order" in Latin below it. Maybe the designers just meant the “New World” another name for the Americas but it’s more than a little suspicious.

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Richard Thomas wrote:
Monnowman wrote:
Is the Pyramid an Illuminati symbol?


It's just about as Illuminati as a symbol can get.

I've done some reading - Conspiracy Theories & Secret Societies For Dummies - which states that the Bavarian Illuminati did not use the pyramid as a symbol. Obviously the mythology around the "contemporary" (if that's the word!) Illuminati includes the belief that the Pyramid is an Illuminati symbol but what's the evidence for that? Or does it come from the following logic:

    The Pyramid appears on US dollar bill
    Some of the founding fathers of the USA were masons
    There's an All-Seeing Eye which is a masonic symbol [it's not unique to or invented by freemasonry- it was used as a general symbol for God in that era]
    The pyramid must be a masonic symbol [it's not and the guy who designed the Great Seal wasn't even a mason]
    The masons are connected to/part of the "NWO" project organised/sponsored by the Illuminati [wildly wrong]
    The pyramid must be an Illuminati symbol.

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You're from my side of the pond so maybe you've never seen the back of a US dollar bill. It's got the pyramid and the eye with the words "New World Order" in Latin below it. Maybe the designers just meant the “New World” another name for the Americas but it’s more than a little suspicious.

Yep and I live in Wales! I know the dollar bill well, having travelled several times to the States and am very familiar the myth that "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means "New World Order". I've only got Latin O-Level, but have to agree with the Wikipedia page on the subject which states that the Latin for "New World Order" would be Novus Ordo Mundi. The Latin for "world" isn't "Seclorum". Seclorum means "of/for the ages".

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Monnowman wrote:
Yep and I live in Wales! I know the dollar bill well, having travelled several times to the States and am very familiar the myth that "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means "New World Order". I've only got Latin O-Level, but have to agree with the Wikipedia page on the subject which states that the Latin for "New World Order" would be Novus Ordo Mundi. The Latin for "world" isn't "Seclorum". Seclorum means "of/for the ages".


Thanks for the info. Whether its new world order or new order of the ages it doesn't sound good to me though.

In my column when I used the word "Illuminati" I wasn't referring to the historical group, its a catchall phrase people use to refer to a network of secret societies many believe (myself included) pretty much rule the world.

Maybe the Freemasons don't actually use a pyramid as a symbol exactly but I think the triangle is one of their symbols, which is pretty close, and aren’t their stories in Freemasonry that the first masons built the pyramids and other ancient tombs.

Whatever the truth the pyramid is definitely a symbol associated with the Illuminati.

The Secrets of the Dollar Bill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B535EeTX5TY

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Hi Richard,

Richard Thomas wrote:
Thanks for the info. Whether its new world order or new order of the ages it doesn't sound good to me though.

Depends what you want to believe: I'm no expert on American history but it makes complete sense to me that the designers of the seal for a new country would use a motto that reflected their idealism and hopes for achieving a new society free of what they perceived as the burden of undemocratic monarchy.

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In my column when I used the word "Illuminati" I wasn't referring to the historical group, its a catchall phrase people use to refer to a network of secret societies many believe (myself included) pretty much rule the world.

OK, understood that you weren't referring to the historical group.

As for the world being run by a network of secret societies, the advocates of this idea that I have come across (present company excluded :D ) are severely lacking in credibility. If they had respectable academic qualifications, or weren't religious fundamentalists, didn't cynically prey on people's prejudices by promoting outright lies, knowing that their audiences don't bother to check facts and weren't trying to make a living by selling books/DVD's based on their irrational and unsupported claims, I might give them some credibility.

Honestly, I would, and I say that as someone who does believe in at least one conspiracy theory (just not this one!) but the material available, such as the documentary you kindly pointed me to is of such bad quality (I was counting almost one clanging factual error a minute as I watched it during one segment), designed only to achieve ratings and preying on prejudices/gullibility, that it just made me shake my head in depressed amazement. One of the interviewees, an American masonic author, Brent Morris, is on record as stating that the pyramid has no association with freemasonry, but it was obviously inconvenient for the programme-makers to have him say that - assuming they asked him - as it would have spoiled the myth!

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Maybe the Freemasons don't actually use a pyramid as a symbol exactly but I think the triangle is one of their symbols, which is pretty close, and aren’t their stories in Freemasonry that the first masons built the pyramids and other ancient tombs.

Freemasonry doesn't use the pyramid as a symbol at all and never has AFAIK. I challenge anyone to produce a genuine article of (regular) masonic art, literature or regalia that uses it. The triangle does crop up as a symbol in one branch of freemasonry, Royal Arch, but like the "Eye of Providence" it is a symbol for God. It might appear elsewhere, but it's certainly one of our lesser used symbols. If you'll forgive me blowing my own trumpet here, I'm a mason of 14 years, a past master, a member of two other orders, very well-read in freemasonry and even I had to look up the use of the triangle as a symbol, so fuzzy was it in my consciousness. It certainly doesn't get a mention in Symbolism in Craft Freemasonry, a standard - and well written - reference on a very esoteric subject.

Some of the earliest masonic manuscripts do try to make a (now naively laughable) historic connection with ancient historical/mythological figures like Moses, Noah, Pythagoras, Hermes and co. in an attempt to give the fraternity an aura of importance and respectability. I don't recall any of these manuscripts referring to the ancient Egyptians/pyramids, but I'll do some digging around. Certainly if there is reference to them it would have been understood by later (and historically much better informed) freemasons that such connections were fanciful and mythological, simply because speculative freemasonry cannot trace a historical lineage for itself any further back than the 17th century, let alone the pre-Christian era!! You can make the comparison with Geoffrey of Monmouth's "History of the Kings of Britain": not history but good rollicking myth that stirs its readership's imagination.

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Whatever the truth the pyramid is definitely a symbol associated with the Illuminati.

I'll concede that in "New World Order" conspiracy lore it has become associated with the "Illuminati" by conspiracy theorists but if that is because they think it's masonic then they are definitely barking up the wrong tree!

BTW, I loved Blade Runner and watched it when it first came out. I'm going to get the Director's Cut DVD and look for all this symbolism now :)

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Monnowman wrote:
BTW, I loved Blade Runner and watched it when it first came out. I'm going to get the Director's Cut DVD and look for all this symbolism now :)

Hwyl fawr!



Blade Runner is an awesome film enjoy maybe you should get it on Blu Ray.

I'd just point out that I never once mentioned the Freemasons in the piece, other groups like the Bilderburg group seem far more important.

Let us know if you find any myths of the Masons building the pyramids or any other ancient tombs. Remember its only the symbolism that's important here not whether it's historically accurate or not.

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Monnowman wrote:
Freemasonry doesn't use the pyramid as a symbol at all and never has AFAIK. I challenge anyone to produce a genuine article of (regular) masonic art, literature or regalia that uses it.


Just visit Israel.

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Intowishon wrote:
Monnowman wrote:
Freemasonry doesn't use the pyramid as a symbol at all and never has AFAIK. I challenge anyone to produce a genuine article of (regular) masonic art, literature or regalia that uses it.


Just visit Israel.


Wow - this appears to be a case of incorrect popular mythology influencing reality. Obviously those crazy Israeli masons believe the hype in the public domain about pyramids and have decided it to use this meme to publicise themselves on a roundabout :-) I'm bemused and amused. So much for being a "secret society" - I'll use that pic when conspiracy nuts accuse us of being a secret society as evidence that were not ;-)

I have seen a case of a lodge room in the Grand Lodge building in Dublin that has an Egyptian motif, but the style of decor doesn't have any bearing on the symbology or moral lessons. They do a tour - it's quite impressive if you get a chance to visit.

The admittedly unspoken assumption I was making when I posed the challenge was of masonic imagery that is used to convey masonic teaching in the context of masonic ceremonies etc. Pyramids, ancient Egypt etc. just don't appear as themes or symbology in authorised masonic ritual books, lodge furniture or "tracing boards" that are used to illustrate the moral lessons in the degree or other ceremonies. You can buy this stuff in masonic shops online (you don't have to be a mason) and do tours of lodge rooms: there's no big secret here.

The myths, such as the Hiramic legend use biblical themes and there are no myths or legends (that I know of!) in freemasonry's rituals that have anything remotely to do with Pyramids or even hidden symbolic representations of them as "generic" temples or whatever. In a nutshell, I still insist that the pyramid is not a "masonic" symbol used in regular mainstream freemasonry.

I suppose the inevitable conspiracist's response would be "Ah but you haven't participated in the "higher" degrees where they use the pyramid and you would be bound by sinister oaths not to reveal them if you had". A tortured logic that I just can't defeat but I would wonder at just how paranoid a conspiracist would have to be be to deploy that argument and expect not to be giggled at!

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Richard Thomas wrote:
Monnowman wrote:
BTW, I loved Blade Runner and watched it when it first came out. I'm going to get the Director's Cut DVD and look for all this symbolism now :)

Hwyl fawr!



Blade Runner is an awesome film enjoy maybe you should get it on Blu Ray.

I'd just point out that I never once mentioned the Freemasons in the piece, other groups like the Bilderburg group seem far more important.

Let us know if you find any myths of the Masons building the pyramids or any other ancient tombs. Remember its only the symbolism that's important here not whether it's historically accurate or not.


Yes - acknowledged that you didn't mention FM.

Well, if there were a legend that implied that freemasons built pyramids, so what? There are old masonic legends predating speculative freemasonry that claim freemasonry was brought to Britain by Pythagoras but no (sane!) freemason today takes them seriously! Would a manuscript claiming that masons built the pyramids for example really be evidence that freemasonry is somehow connected to the New World Order? That really would be grasping at straws and trying to make 2 plus 2 equal 7. Just like conspiracy theorists, the writers of some of these old masonic legends made stuff up(!) and we masons who actually bother to take an interest in the history of order just smile indulgently at their naïveté. Bear in mind too that they were writing well before "freemasonry" as we know it today even existed, so making the connection with a supposed modern secret society is stretching the point even further.

I still maintain that the whole freemasonry = pyramids = NWO thesis is just a fantasy.

If you do a google on "masonic ms" or "masonic manuscripts" you might be able to get copies of some of the early manuscripts associated with masonry. They aren't secret. Or better yet, buy some serious academic books on the history of freemasonry done by qualified historians that contain the early manuscripts. If I find anything I'll let you know as long as you promise to use the info without a biased, prejudiced agenda!

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Intowishon wrote:
Monnowman wrote:
Freemasonry doesn't use the pyramid as a symbol at all and never has AFAIK. I challenge anyone to produce a genuine article of (regular) masonic art, literature or regalia that uses it.


Just visit Israel.

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Well done Intowishon. Obviously the pyramid seems important to some Masons.

Monnowman, maybe you still have a few degrees up the Masonic ladder to go yet. Keep us posted on what you find.

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Monnowman wrote:
Freemasonry doesn't use the pyramid as a symbol at all and never has AFAIK. I challenge anyone to produce a genuine article of (regular) masonic art, literature or regalia that uses it.

Just visit Israel.

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Well done Intowishon. Obviously the pyramid seems important to some Masons.

Yes, and I'm really a lizard. Apparently one lodge (among how many thousand around the world?) decided to to cater to the public myth by using a pyramid. They've made a mistake. They are wrong. Masons are not infallible!

Hardly conclusive. As I've said, there's no mystery here - you can buy the ritual books for the degrees, lecture books and lodge furniture yourself and pore over them yourself- you don't need to be a mason to buy them and you won't find any references to or pictures of pyramids! Or go and buy a book on masonic art - Thames and Hudson do a good one. Or next time you are in London, go on a tour of the Grand Lodge Library and Museum and look for pyramids - they aren't there. Relying on a photo published on a website is hardly thorough research is it?

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Monnowman, maybe you still have a few degrees up the Masonic ladder to go yet. Keep us posted on what you find.

There's no "ladder" - yet another myth.

Some useful stuff from the Grand Lodge of BC (italics are mine):

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The eye inside of an equilateral triangle, point up or down, has often appeared in Christian art. "It is often placed high above the alter as in the Pfarrkirche at Grmunden am Traunsee (1626) and the Fisherman's church at Traunkirchen, while it appears over the doorway of the church of the monastery of St. Florian near Linz."
Neither the eye nor the pyramid have ever been uniquely masonic symbols, although a few Grand Lodge jurisdictions incorporate them into their seals. The combining of the eye of providence overlooking an unfinished pyramid is a uniquely American, not masonic, icon. There are no available records showing the all-seeing eye, with or without a pyramid, associated with freemasonry prior to 1797 and none at all related to the Bavarian Illuminati.

While the eye and pyramid icon is clearly not masonic nor derived from any real-world usage other than the American Great Seal, conspiracy theorists are quick to point out that it, or variations of a circle inside a triangle, often appears in corporate logos. In popular fiction a stylized eye and pyramid, or some version of a single eye, is a common visual shorthand for power, secrecy, conspiracy or control. The intent of the creators of films and television programmes, in utilizing these icons, can only be a matter of conjecture. It is quite probable that conspiracy theorists and the visual arts are simply feeding off each other.

As an example, the otherwise credible author Gerald Suster (d. 2001) repeatedly, and without citation, in his history of the Hell-Fire Club asserts that the eye and pyramid are both Illuminati and masonic symbols. A number of conspiracy theorists, such as Jordan Maxwell, have claimed that the eye and pyramid symbol is printed in Bavarian Illuminati texts "until recently" on display in the British Museum. No citations or references are given, although mention is also sometimes made to UFOs and extraterrestrials. The dust jacket illustration for the 1972 hardcover edition of None Dare Call it Conspiracy includes the eye and pyramid symbol. Passing mention is made inside to the Illuminati, but no mention is made to the seal. And in 2005 the movie, National Treasure described the unfinished pyramid and all-seeing eye as symbols of the Knights Templar.

I would suggest that what we have in that Israeli roundabout is an example of "conspiracy theorists and the visual arts feeding off each other" and do acknowledge how ironic it is that in this example the alleged perpetrators of the "conspiracy" (the wicked masons!) are actually using the meme created by the conspiracy theorists to represent themselves. It's a bonkers world.

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Monnowman wrote:
It's a bonkers world.


On that we can all agree!

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