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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:45 pm 
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Dr. Tyler Kokjohn
Science, The Paranormal, Food Production, & Deadly Diseases
2 Hours, 28 Minutes

BoA:Audio welcomes microbiology professor Dr. Tyler Kokjohn back to the program for an extended jam session that covers a myriad of topics ranging from the strangely paranormal to the fantastically and frighteningly real. Over the course of the conversation, we delve into the challenges and potential breakthroughs associated with DNA and the paranormal, issues surrounding paranormal research being dependent on propagating mysteries as a means of titillating its audience, and how the paranormal often eschews research in favor of simply promoting untested theories.

Additionally, we spend quite a bit of time talking about diseases as well as our food production in America and abroad. We talk about autism and the debate over vaccines, modern day measles outbreaks, mad cow disease brought on by nefarious conditions at factory farms, and the dangers of chemical additives being used in so many food products. Plus, we discuss ancient aliens, genetic tinkering, skeptics, experiencers, and a whole bunch more.

Altogether it is an enlightening and, at times, disturbing edition of the program which draws from the world of real science and applies it to both the paranormal and our everyday lives as Tyler Kokjohn returns to BoA:Audio.

Highlights: We kick things off by learning if any research in the world of the paranormal has piqued Tyler's interest since his last appearance on BoA:Audio in May of 2013. He details the recent DNA work being done on the Paracas Skulls and how that is an avenue which may eventually lead to some data that scientists can properly study. That turns into talk about how DNA is being applied more often to paranormal mysteries and Tyler talks about the Starchild Skull as well as the Ata 'alien' from 2013.

This leads to some talk about what can be done with DNA and the limitations on drawing conclusions from DNA data. Tyler details the strange phenomenon known as epigenomics, which outside influences modify a person's genetics and this altered genetic material gets passed down in subsequent generations. We then break from tradition and bring a caller into the mix as John in upstate NY asks Tyler if physical modifications, such as cradle boarding, can be passed down in subsequent generations.

Our conversation then turns towards abduction research and Tyler talks about how the field has missed several instances of getting good, solid DNA data from alleged hybrids. He also talks about the 'great disconnect' of abduction and paranormal research where hypothesis are created and promoted but never get tested. This leads to some talk about how paranormal research seems to be increasingly driven by propagating a mystery rather than solving the enigma.

Continuing our meta examination of issues facing the paranormal, we look at how the financial challenges facing the field seems to have led to the additional complications for researchers. We then circle back to the Ata alien story and the work of Dr. Gary Nolan, getting a little more background on how that all came together and where the story seems to be heading next. In light of Tyler's standing in the academic community, we find out what the reaction has been from his school and colleagues to his interest in the paranormal.

We then get briefly interrupted by Lobo, of Project Archivist fame, who trolls us with inside jobs and laughs. This allows us to segue into some talk about the strange explosion of autism in children and the longstanding debate over whether or not it is caused by vaccines. In turn, we learn about how, in recent years, there has been an unsettling rise in measles perhaps as a result of parents not vaccinating their children or kids who medically cannot be vaccinated.

The discussion of vaccines and diseases continues as we talk about polio and the potential for it, or other diseases, to mutate from an unvaccinated person and spread into the general population. Tyler also tells us about the CIA's attempt to find Osama Bin Laden via a clandestine vaccination program.

The conversation then pivots to some talk about mad cow disease and how it was exacerbated by horrifying practices at slaughterhouses such as feeding dead cow parts back to the still-living cows. This leads to a question, from the chat room, regarding 'mad chickens,' the horrifying mistreatment of 'downer cows' in slaughterhouses, and how the Federal government is trying to make it illegal to document these mispractices. We also learn about the dangers surrounding the pervasive nature of hand sanitizers as well as emerging realm of fecal transplants.

Entering the final quarter of the live program, we ask Tyler about the oft-cited statistics surrounding the high number of human deformities as evidence that the species was genetically engineered by aliens. We also find out if it is possible, in modern times, for scientists to determine genetic tinkering that had been done in ancient times. This leads to some talk about skeptics and the skeptical community and how, at times, they behave in a fashion similar to paranormal researchers. We also lament the reliance on debunking 'low hanging fruit' paranormal stories as well as the deferential treatment that science gets from skeptics.

Closing out the live program, we talk about the need for patience in science and how that can be a burden for a ragtag research community like the paranormal field. We also reflect on the challenge of the experiencer or witness to convey what happened to them to others and, for others, to accept their experience. Wrapping up the live show, we find out if Tyler thinks we'll ever solve any paranormal mysteries or if their enigmatic nature combined with their marginalization will lead to them continuing well into the future. We also find out about potential future projects from Tyler in the realm of the paranormal.

In our post-live show chat, we reflect on the discussion surrounding issues with factory farms and meat production. Tyler also muses about how the mad cow epidemic was caused by one small change in production. We also talk about the vast amount of chemicals being used as food additives and how we still don't know the long term effects of the use of these chemicals. We then welcome Lobo back to the program for a question about Upton Sinclair's The Jungle and what needs to be done to change the public perception of the food industry.

Wrapping up the program, we talk to Tyler about Alzheimer's Disease and find out how big the field of research is around the world. Additionally, we learn about the troubling cases of early onset Alzheimer's Disease, the origins of studying the disease, how it got its name, and the evolution of trying to find a cure for it.

This show was recorded live on 6/3/2014.

"Give a lunatic a keyboard and a modem and that's what happens." -- Jeff Rense, 2.25.5

"An artist has got to be constantly in a state of becoming." -- Bob Dylan

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:36 am 
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Great Interview and as usual thoughtful questions Tim ( and always enjoy your synopsis on the forum ) and Dr. Kokjohn ! Informative though extremely disturbing in regards to prions, disease pathogens.
There's a excellent Documentary on Netflix called "Food Inc." detailing many of the elements you discussed. Being in the medical field I do see a lot of elderly people who are afflicted with "C-Diff", especially if they are in nursing home facilities where it can spread like wildfire( especially if universal precautions aren't used).

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:52 pm 
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Great episode. I'd love to hear another episode like this, its all very interesting.

You don't call retarded people retards. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:08 pm 
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Enjoying the interview, have learnt a lot--especially re prions and the cow/chicken food chain, and the vaccination/autism thing--but was concerned at the notion expressed that truth can only be reached via scientific protocals. A lot of the folk at the wacky end of the so-called paranormal spectrum can be viewed as creatives, poets, artists, whose lives and experiences constitute their tools and canvases. In fact it's interesting how often these people earn a living as painters, musicians etc. Have we something to learn from them as to the nature of reality? Sure!

Re the comments about hybrids not fronting up to testing, I would point you guys to a chap called Michael Lee Hall--whose story is way-way out there! But apparently he and another fellow called Terrell Copeland, who, like Hall and your previous guest, are 'experiencers', and have been confirmed as having an unusual blood condition--not just unusual but it doesn't do to them what it does to the rest of us. It would be great if there was more follow-up to this sort of thing, in terms of data that Doctor T.K. would allow. You know, I agree with you that more testing of such claims should be done, but: 1) What if the hybrid factor is spiritual or etheric--for lack of better words? And: 2) Who the hell is going to pay for the tests? These spooky things--abductions and whatnot--seem to happen in the main to lower-income people. (Which opens up a bag of worms to do with Govt/Alien agreements!)

Before I hang up, about Zana. It was surely not so simple as was stated. Dr Sykes apparently speculated that she may have originated among a branch of sub-Saharan Africans who migrated north in the far distant past. Her son's skull exhibited archaic traits, even to bone features that modern humans have not possessed for millenia. Her sad story is not over yet.

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Haven't listened to the episode in its entirety yet, but I feel the urge to jump in already now that you keep mentioning how the mystery about Zana 'fell apart' after Dr. Sykes sequenced the genome of one of her descendants. IMHO that's not the case at all, since we still have the testimony of the people who knew of Zana & described her as covered with red hair & endowed with an incredible strength.

But even if we discounted the testimonies entirely, I still feel that focusing solely on the DNA part of the Zana equation is a very passé way to do Science. What of the EPIGENETIC factor? Biology in the XXIst century is starting to acknowledge that, more importantly than the genes in our chromosomes, is how those genes are expressed; and the expression can be altered by many factors, including environmental circumstances.

So maybe Zana & the Almasti have a DNA that is 99.9% similar to modern humans, but there MAY still something in their epigenetic make up which gives them a more primitive morphology.

Just my 2 centavos. Back to the interview ;)

PS: Niiice, not even 15 minutes in the podcast, and Dr. Kokjohn has already mentioned Epigenomics --and he also used a guy with the potential to be 6'-4" tall as a metaphor, which happens to be MY height. Can you say 'synchronicity'? :P

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